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For this interview, we welcome Mickey Cloud, Sr. Vice-President at VaynerMedia

The topic of today's interview - how culture and hiring have helped VaynerMedia achieve incredible organic growth.  (Shouts out James Carbary and Sweetfish Media for help producing this episode).

Ep. 43: How VaynerMedia Scaled to 800 Employees

Interview Topics 

Introduction. 0:00 - 4:28.

Mickey Cloud joined VaynerMedia in November 2011. He was Employee No. 30 and the second person with an agency background to work at the company. At the time, VaynerMedia was very much a social media management firm - in the intervening years, it's scaled to a full-service marketing agency providing 360° services to much of the Fortune 500 as well as high-growth startups and the mid-market as well.

Background on VaynerMedia's Culture: 4:28 - 6:08. 

VaynerMedia CEO Gary Vaynerchuk dictates culture from the top-down at the company. The number one driver for company culture is empathy - VaynerMedia actively seeks to enable employees to be themselves, feel comfortable and empowered at work, and eject unconstructive people, ego, and politics from the workplace.

Mickey's Experience in Traditional Agencies: 6:08 - 9:11.

Prior to joining VaynerMedia, Mickey spent 5 years working on Madison Avenue in New York City for blue-blood Ad Agencies. He quickly became frustrated with a few transcendent problems: the silo-ing and silencing of talent, the refusal to operate in the customer's best interest (and just giving them the television commercials they wanted), and the slowness to adopt new technology and digital marketing channels in the halcyon days of 2008-2010. 

The Essential Keys to VaynerMedia's Success: 9:11 - 15:25. 

Gary began VaynerMedia with no prior experience and no idea how other agencies ran. He committed from Day 1 to a long-term view, keeping the company privately-owned, and applying the Silicon Valley "Fail Fast" approach to an Agency Model.

A way they put that mindset into action was hiring ahead of need - instead of reactively. The long-term mindset into to sell VaynerMedia, but to begin acquiring other brands and begin powering them with the VaynerMedia marketing machine, a really unique vision in the marketing agency space. The long-term ambition of the company is where everything else maps to - hires, processes, and go-to-market strategies.

Ultimately, Gary took the Golden Rule of 'improve top-line revenue' and figured out how to balance that commitment with a long-term focus, versus a myopic one.

How VaynerMedia Approaches Culture and Hiring. 15:25 - 21:33. 

VaynerMedia has no codified playbook for HR 'Best Practices' and has instead codified its values through top-down actions and communication. One of the mantras Gary has dictated to Mickey is that his three priorities are: 1) his team; 2) the consumers of the client's products; 3) your clients - because if you take care of the first two things, you take care of the third one as a byproduct.

Example two: In his first interview with Mickey, Gary asked Mickey where he saw himself in 5-10 years. Mickey expressed an interest to return to the South (where he's originally from). At the end of the interview, Gary told Mickey that if Mickey gave Gary four good years, he'd be able to return to the South in a role with the company. Four years later, Mickey was tabbed to open and lead VaynerMedia's Chattanooga office. 


"HUSTLE+ HUMILITY" w/ @garyvee live now!!!! https://t.co/Mxg6BYnaXZ think u guys are gonna enjoy ;) pic.twitter.com/12eKv6m2a2

— Adam Vazquez (@AdamVazquez) November 16, 2017


Another example: a former employee, Adam Vazquez, expressed an interest to start his own company. He gained the company's blessing and now hosts The Startup Show, with Gary as one of its first interviews. And as people's interests evolve, the company seeks to maintain an open dialogue to meet those evolving needs - an initiative owned by the company's Chief Heart Officer, Claude Silver. The company seeks to actualize Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

Executing Continued Commitment to Ethos. 21:33 - 27:41.

Everything boils down to people, processes, and communication. The company constantly audits its internal processes and seeks to make adjustments quickly. They also operate with a "Stress Flows Up" mentality. That is, employees should never engage one another negatively. If there is a disagreement, an employee should go to a higher-up, share their grievance or issue from the other person, and request guidance on how to handle it.

Positivity and optimism are huge characteristics of what VaynerMedia cares about. Mickey has resting 'serious face,' and is conscious about smiling more and detaching from his work to engage with coworkers and set the tone of a passionate, upbeat workplace.

VaynerMedia also actively seeks to create diversity of perspective, background, race, and gender. They emphasize the former in the interests of maximizing creativity and independent thought in their operations, and emphasize the latter to illustrate the absence of glass ceilings and equal opportunity for people from all walks of life to reach the highest echelons within the company.

Two examples: the company's hiring of acclaimed psychologist Claude Silver as Chief Heart Officer and ingenious Reddit hustler Dawayne Kirkland for a creative role.

The Honey Culture. 27:41 - 32:15.

The term Gary has coined for this overarching philosophy at VaynerMedia is "The Honey Empire." The idea: create a path to world-domination - creating the greatest marketing agency on the planet - will be done through honey as opposed to vinegar.

Going back to internal communication - this means treating others with empathy, passing along constructive feedback as an act of care, not as a way to put people down, and seeking to win the market with kindness, both internal and external.

Gary personally loathes the idealization of Steve Jobs - a noted a**hole for lack of a better word - and how he ran Apple. At VaynerMedia, the goal is to empower the team's best talent in creative ways. For example, by creating a VaynerExperience, a new events-based division of VaynerMedia, to be led by Kim Garcia - a longtime Sr. Vice-President seeking a new internal challenge to solve for the company.

VaynerMedia is not perfect, by any means. But the company pushes Mickey and his VPs to communicate internally with the care, frequency, and commitment given to curating marketing content for their clients.

How to Contact Mickey. 32:15 - 33:09.

Mickey is available on Twitter at @mickeycloud and is also on LinkedIn. He recommends visiting VaynerMedia's website and checking out their new content initiatives with video, podcasts, and so forth.

Major thanks to Mickey for an amazing interview - we hope you enjoyed this episode and will see you next time on the Sales Influencer Series.

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Episode 12. Ryan Jenkins

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Episode 14. Mike Weinberg

Episode 15. Scott Britton

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Episode 17. Dionne Mischler

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Episode 20. Jill Rowley

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Episode 22. Will Wickey

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Episode 25. Nathan Sexton

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